Should You Play Box Lacrosse Goalie?
Box lacrosse is the indoor version of the field game played 6 on 6 with 4′ by 4′ goals in an ice hockey rink covered with turf.
For attackmen, middies, and defensive players there’s no question that playing box lacrosse will help your overall game by improving stick skills, shooting, passing, defense, and conditioning.
But the position of goalie is completely different in box lacrosse, more similar to an ice hockey goalie than a field lacrosse goalie.
So as goalies will we benefit from getting the extra reps in box lacrosse or will it develop bad habits that carry over to the field game?
And if do you decide to play box lacrosse should we strap on the tradition box lacrosse goalie equipment or simply play with our normal field lacrosse goalie gear.
In this post I’ll take a look at the question – should I play box lacrosse goalie?
Playing goalie in box and in the field game are totally different.
By simply comparing the pictures of a field lacrosse goalie (left) to a box lacrosse goalie (right) we get a good sense of the difference between these 2 animals.
As I’ve discussed in various articles, making saves in field lacrosse is about driving your top hand to the ball and catching it with your stick.
Box lacrosse goalie is more about cutting down the angle and then blocking the ball with your body. Instead of moving the stick for a high shot, a box goalie will move their shoulder and purposely block the ball with their body similar in style to an ice hockey goalie.
In box lacrosse the goalie doesn’t make saves in a reactionary way, that is aggressively moving their body to the ball. Instead they rely on being in the right position and blocking the ball.
While the field lacrosse sets up with the stick held around eye level, the box lacrosse goalie sets up with the stick touching the ground, blocking his 5-hole.
I’ve discussed the lacrosse goalie gear needed to play field lacrosse goalie. But as you can see in the images, box lacrosse goalie gear more closely resembles an ice hockey goalie. This is quite an investment as a normal gear setup can run well over $1000.
Short answer: I wouldn’t recommend it.
Although box players do try to shoot for corners occasionally, the general strategy of their shot is to rip it as hard as they can. To shoot through the goalie rather than trying to hit a free part of the net.
The smaller field and quick transitions between offense and defense also mean that the number of shots per game a goalie will take in box is much higher. These shots will also come from closer distance than a field lacrosse goalie will be accustomed to.
You’re going to take a beating if you play box lacrosse goalie using field lacrosse gear.
There’s a reason box lacrosse goalies look like large bodied aliens. Taking all those shots is punishing.
So to save a goalie’s spirit, I would never recommend that they strap on field lacrosse goalie gear and jump into a box lacrosse game.
For the goalies that I coach and every goalie that I talk to, I always discourage them from playing box lacrosse goalie.
Due to the punishing nature of box lacrosse goalie, it contributes to goalie burn out where kids simply lose interest in playing goalie.
The general strategy of making a save is completely different in the two sports. With field lacrosse emphasizing stick saves while the box lacrosse strategy is a body save. A field lacrosse goalie who plays a lot of box may start to develop some bad habits when he goes back to the field game.
I’ve seen goalies take the habit of body saves over into the field game where explosion and hand saves are the habits we want to develop.
The skills learned in one sport don’t really transition over to the other. With the exception of getting used to someone shooting at you and positioning on your arc, each position requires a different skill set. So the experience of playing box goalie will not help you that much in the field.
And finally, box lacrosse goalie gear is extremely costly. If you’re serious about playing box goalie you can spend well in excess of $1000 getting all the necessary protection. And this protection is absolutely mandatory as getting pelted with box lacrosse shots is a sure-fire way for goalies to get burnt out.
In this case, I don’t think that ‘the more lacrosse the better’. I think the negatives outweigh the few positives and you should avoid playing box lacrosse goalie.
While I just mentioned that I think its serves field goalies much better to play box lacrosse with a short stick instead of in the goal, there are some pros to playing box lacrosse goalie that I want to point out.
The first is positioning and learning to play an arc.
In box lacrosse the goalie typically makes the save by being in the right place at the right time. Thus the idea of a save becomes less about reacting to the ball and more about being in the right place to cut down the shooter’s angle and look at the goal.
Box lacrosse is quick. Due to this quickness, there is an extreme amount of repetition and angle changes as teams quickly pass across the field. Thus, the box goalie must learn to quickly change positions on his arc to be in the right position on his goalie arc to make a save.
I do think learning to excel at this arc play can transition to the field game.
The second pro is learning to play big. Box goalie technique teaches you to take up as much space as possible, play big, play hard, and attack the ball, all things that transfer over well to field.
And the final benefit of playing box goalie is the sheer number of shots you’ll see in box games helps you read shooters.
There is no question that as a box goalie you’ll see a lot of shots. The 30-second shot clock and short field mean you’ll be bombarded with shots. You’ll see many different styles of shots too – screen shots, shots from inside, shots off a skip pass, etc.. Seeing these shots may help you read the same style of shots in the field game even if the save styles are completely different.
In episode 3 of the Lax Goalie Rat podcast, I chat with Dillon Ward who made it to the highest level of lacrosse in both the indoor AND the outdoor game. As you can imagine he’s a big proponent that box lacrosse goalie teaches you a lot of about the field game.
If you interested in hearing his story I encourage you to listen to that episode.
Still, even considering these all benefits of playing box goalie I think the cons are superior and my opinion is that youth field lacrosse goalies should be careful about playing box goalie.
While I think that you shouldn’t play box lacrosse goalie, I do recommend that you play box lacrosse.
Grab a shortie and join your teammates in the goal of trying to put one past the goalie.
All goalies need to good with the short stick anyways so practicing your stick skills during box will improve your field lacrosse goalie game.
Being in the field in a box game with your teammates will help you develop your field awareness and your ball handling ability which transition very nicely into the field game when its time to lead the clear after a save.
In addition, you’ll get some extreme conditioning and agility work that you normally wouldn’t get just standing in goal.
There’s a certainly a strong debate within the lacrosse community about whether playing box goalie is beneficial to your normal goalie game.
Based on my experience as a player and a coach in both positions, my opinion is that box lacrosse goalie is detrimental to the development of a field goalie.
Sure there have been individuals such as Sal LaCascio and Dillon Ward who excelled in both field and box lacrosse goalie. But given the difference in the two sports, these individuals are rare. For every Deion Sanders or Bo Jackson who played professionally in two different sports, there are hundreds of thousands of athletes who simply excel in one sport.
Playing box lacrosse goalie is expensive and can also give field lacrosse goalies some bad habits due to the different skill sets required to make a save.
However, there are numerous advantages to playing out of the goal during a box lacrosse game.
So while I recommend that field lacrosse goalies avoid playing box lacrosse goalie, I do think they should play box lacrosse.
Until next time! Coach Damon
Disagree? Let me know in the comments.
Gait Intrepid Box Lacrosse Kidney Pads Review
If you’re looking for proven, efficient padding that will undoubtedly keep you safe, then the Gait Intrepid Box Lacrosse Kidney Pads are a perfect match for you.
In the game of box lacrosse, it is essential to find and use protective equipment that will work. If you don’t, you can easily end up getting very hurt, especially when concerning a sensitive area like the kidneys.
Gait is a lacrosse company that has a lot of experience in the game of lacrosse, and is well respected as an established brand. Their box lacrosse protective equipment is definitely some of the best gear out there. These Intrepid pads are a good representation of that. You’re going to find that they do their job very well.
The Intrepid Box Lacrosse Kidney pads are comprised of several sections of hard plastic that surround your midsection. The hard padding is optimal for this area of protection because it will ensure a minimal amount of force is being transferred to your body. Any bruising or internal damage will most likely be negated.
Now it’s important to understand exactly where the padding is placed on these pads. There are 5 main sections of the padding that wrap around your midsection.
The side parts extend from either side of your rectus abdominal section to just the end width of your transverse abs. Then in the back there are three more plates, with a large taller one being in the middle to cover your spine.
All the sections are going to be large enough to provide enough protection to the areas they’re supposed to.
These pads are highly adjustable to your size and liking. There are straps to control how tight they sit on your midsection, and how far they ride up on your torso.
The sections wrap around the player very well, although it is worth reiterating that they’re made of large hard plastic plates. They’ll do the job in providing a proper fit, but they aren’t going to be the pads that are known for their anatomical design.
Finding the proper size and adjusting the straps to your desired preference are going to be your best bet for getting the best fit.
To go with each hard plastic plate, each section of the padding features a foam backing that’ll give you a fair level of comfort. This type of foam is used in several other sporting applications, so it’s going to provide you a practical comfortable feel.
To go along with this there are vents located all throughout the padding, so you’re going to get good ventilation to go along with this.
Overall these are going to be a great pair of pads to own. They will do their job completely, and you’re going to just be able to put them on without worrying about getting hurt.
The Gait lacrosse company has proven themselves before, and they have matched their quality again with this piece of equipment.
Now these aren’t going to be the newest, most advanced big thing, but they are a working pair of pads. So if you’re concerned about your midsection while playing box lacrosse, then they are going to do what you want.
As tough as these pads are, there’s always a chance with any piece of gear that it might break down, you won’t need to worry about that though if it happens within 60 days. That is the warranty for all protective equipment and gloves from Gait.
Pac-12 Rookies Drawing Rave Reviews at NFL Training Camps
In 2020, Oregon alum Justin Herbert burst onto the NFL scene to light up defenses and take home the NFL Offensive Rookie of the Year. With training camps beginning in earnest over the past few weeks, a new crop of NFL rookies from Pac-12 schools are suiting up and attempting to follow in Herbert’s footsteps.
Taken No. 30 overall out of Washington, Joe Tryon is garnering plenty of buzz for the defending champion Tampa Bay Bucs. Most importantly, Tryon has caught the attention of the man in charge, with Bucs head coach Bruce Arians saying that the outside linebacker is “carving out a real, real nice role for himself.”
“He’s carving out a real, real nice role for himself.”
🗣️: @BruceArians on @joe_tryon pic.twitter.com/OziW1TLi6Q
— Tampa Bay Buccaneers (@Buccaneers) August 1, 2021
Similarly, Alijah Vera-Tucker, who went to the New York Jets at No. 14 out of USC has done all he can to impress his to new coaching staff. Jets offensive line coach John Benton has been raving about Vera-Tucker, saying via the Jets’ website, “Right now, he’s been able to check every box. He’s willing to learn the scheme. Impressive athletically and he seems to fit right in with the guys….all indications are good.”
Vera-Tucker has also been a welcome presence on the sideline, leading chants and hyping up fans for the upcoming season.
THIS ENERGY FROM @ALIJAHVT pic.twitter.com/6DSKwhyoBx
— New York Jets (@nyjets) July 31, 2021
Oregon alum Penei Sewell, who was the Pac-12’s highest draft pick last year when he went No. 7 overall to the Detroit Lions, has relished being back in live practice after sitting out the 2020 season.
“Man, it’s kind of like when you’re out in the desert and you take that first sip of water… to be out there again, to strap it on, to put the helmet back on again,” said Sewell to the Detroit Free Press.
However, Sewell is learning that even being a prized top-10 pick doesn’t get you out of pads duty at the first team practice if you’re still a rookie.
First day of pads so of course Penei Sewell has rookie duties to fulfill pic.twitter.com/CsPIg9j10h
— Dave Birkett (@davebirkett) August 3, 2021
Fellow Duck Jevon Holland is also learning how to adjust to the NFL on the fly. Summing up his transition to the Miami Dolphins, the safety told Sports Illustrated simply, “You got to adapt or die. I’d rather adapt than die.“
Amon-Ra St. Brown, a former Trojan taken in the fourth round by the Lions, has some predicting that he could be the biggest sleeper of Detroit’s training camp. St. Brown has been making his mark by reportedly spending extra time catching passes after camp, and by showing his passion in forceful, albeit nontraditional, ways.
St. Brown got in a kerfuffle with a fellow teammate after practice – usually a cause for discipline. But Lions head coach Dan Campbell loved the intensity that he saw from the young wide receiver, telling MLiv.com, “Yeah, I mean, I was fired up. Because they were competing, man. It was good to see both of them, two young bucks, go after it.”
It’s different in Detroit now. pic.twitter.com/9uwIgkN2Cv
— B/R Gridiron (@brgridiron) August 4, 2021
One rookie who wasn’t even drafted has caught the attention of legendary Seattle Seahawks coach Pete Carroll. Aashari Crosswell, who starred at safety for the Arizona State Sun Devils, was signed as an undrafted free-agent by the Seahawks. His playmaking ability, including two-interceptions in a recents Seattle practice, has piqued Carroll’s interest, who told the Athletic he “can’t help but notice” Crosswell’s production.
Aashari Crosswell the star of day today for Seahawks with two interceptions. pic.twitter.com/ukbmCCPwg2
— Bob Condotta (@bcondotta) August 4, 2021
Find out who will follow in Justin Herbert’s footsteps and become the next young star to come out of the Pac-12 when the NFL season gets started on September 9th. And download the Pac-12 Now App today and set alerts for Pac-12 football to make sure you never miss a moment of the action.
UAlbany football QB Undercuffler embracing challenge, competition after difficult spring season
Like the rest of his UAlbany football teammates, Jeff Undercuffler is eager to move on from the team’s rough spring.
Undercuffler rewrote UAlbany’s single-season record book for quarterbacks in 2019, but his return to the field this past spring left plenty to be desired — especially by his own standards.
It was a perfect storm that coalesced into a spring filled with struggles for the 6-foot-5 signal caller. The fall 2020 season was postponed to the spring due to the novel coronavirus pandemic, and pandemic-related pauses prevented the Great Danes from ever putting on their pads during the entirety of 2020. Once the team finally got back together last winter, Undercuffler was working with a massively retooled receiving corps and offensive line — and that was before the injuries.
Injury after injury piled up for the Great Danes, who called off their final two spring games due to a lack of healthy players. That hurt group included Undercuffler, who sat out what ended up being UAlbany’s fourth and final game of the spring.
“It was just bad timing,” Undercuffler said Monday during UAlbany football media day at Tom & Mary Casey Stadium, “and it really stunk. ”
In his three spring games, Undercuffler completed 62 of 113 passes for 556 yards with six touchdowns and three interceptions — a far cry from the 3,543 passing yards and 41 scores he accounted for in his first season as a starter in 2019, when he led UAlbany to a 9-4 record and the program’s first-ever win in an FCS playoff game.
Undercuffler’s inconsistency was evident throughout the spring, but UAlbany head coach Greg Gattuso said Monday that Undercuffler had “earned the right to call himself the starter” when the team opened its preseason camp last week.
Not that the quarterback won’t have plenty of competition pushing him from behind.
“I don’t mince words about things, when I say something’s a competition, it really, truly is,” Gattuso said. “I always tell them, ‘You’re not the Queen of England. You’re not born into this. You have no right, you have to earn it.’ Jeff deserves to be No. 1, and I expect him to be coming out of camp [as the starter], but he’s got to keep playing at that level to be there. ”
Behind Undercuffler on the depth chart are Braeden Zenelovic, who started the game Undercuffler missed against Stony Brook in March, and Joey Carino, who came off the bench in the second half of that game and injected life into a scuffling UAlbany offense with his ability to scramble and improvise.
Undercuffler said he’s embracing the idea of being challenged for his spot.
“You have to have that competition,” he said, “so it drives you and gets you better.”
The Delran, New Jersey, native is also embracing a leadership role that Gattuso has been eager for Undercuffler to undertake.
“Me and Braeden being veterans in the quarterback room, I feel like it’s our job to be another coach for the other quarterbacks, the other new guys that are all coming into our offense,” Undercuffler said. “Our offense is tricky. There’s a lot of stuff you’ve got to know.”
Running back Karl Mofor has seen Undercuffler’s evolution since 2018, when the quarterback was “forced into the fire” to make three starts as a true freshman.
Undercuffler’s quick rise to CAA Offensive Rookie of the Year and runner-up for the STATS FCS Jerry Rice Award in 2019 might have skewed Undercuffler’s perception of how he needed to approach a leadership role in his younger days, Mofor said, but now he’s fully adapted to the position of constantly being under a microscope.
“He’s really starting to understand that he has to be that guy every play,” Mofor said. “He can’t take the plays off, and every time we work out and in all the little things we do, somebody’s looking at him. I feel like he’s really grasped the concept of trying to do the right thing every time we’re on the field and off the field.”
While he’s taking more leadership responsibility on his shoulders, Undercuffler also said he’s committed to playing within himself this fall — something Gattuso has long asked his quarterback to do.
“We’ve got to be ordinary,” Undercuffler said. “Trust the guy to your left and your right that they’re going to be ordinary. No one’s going to be extraordinary. As long as you’re doing that, as a team, you’ll become extraordinary, and that’s when you become great.”
That evolving maturity, Gattuso said, matched with Undercuffler’s prodigious talent is why the quarterback still hasn’t scratched the surface of what he’s fully capable of on the gridiron.
“I’d like to see what his ceiling is,” Gattuso said. “I don’t think he’s reached it. I think he has a lot more developing to do and maturing to do. He still has three years of eligibility left, which people forget. He’s not young, but he’s not a grizzled veteran. I think this year’s going to be a fun year to watch his development.”
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